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ymarkovТут был недавно разговор за sex education, так я прочёл такую статью об этом:
Challenges Facing Modern Orthodox Education in Israel
Jeremy Stavisky
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The third major issue we face is the conflict between halakhic demands and the sexual norms of modern society. Specifically, the problem stems from the long interval between the age of puberty and the age of marriage. [...] According to halakhah there is no legitimate sexual expression until marriage.
Not only is all sexual contact forbidden; so is masturbation. It seems that during most of our history young men and women married close to the time of puberty. [...] Yet today, it is almost impossible for a young Israeli to marry before he finishes his army service at the age of twenty-one or twenty-two. And we encourage our children to pursue higher education, so it is financially very difficult for most of them to marry before their mid twenties.
The problem is of acute importance during adolescence. Many of our students develop friendships with the other sex and have no ability to express that friendship in a physical manner. The halakhah viewed physical relationships between men and women as something that happens within the family, as husband and wife. The concept of long-term friendship between a boy and a girl does not exist within the halakhic framework. The problem is
compounded by the fact that our students live in a very coarse world, where the media presume that adolescents should be living promiscuous sexual lives.
[...]
We cannot deny halakhah and permit any kind of physical relationship with a woman who is not ritually pure. And yet, we cannot deny the impossible situation our students face in trying to work out their legitimate emotional needs. Many of our students have girl friends and have developed some kind of physical relationship with them. How do we coach our students when they consult with us on this matter?
One has to realize that there is no ideal solution to this problem. The educator has to insure that failure in this field does not lead to feelings of guilt that lead, in turn, to total detachment from a life of mizvot. This process does not have to legitimize unacceptable halakhic behavior, but it does have to be understanding of the difficult situation our students face. [...]
We also have to decide the proper form of sexual education in our schools. If we assume that a small percent of our students are having sexual relations, are we obliged to educate them on how to prevent the transfer of sexual diseases? It seems that if we shy away from discussing these issues in a mature and responsible manner we will be denying our students important material that they otherwise will probably learn from a less desirable source. Sexual information can be taught in conjunction with a strong ideological message insisting that love is an essential part of sexual relationships and that sexuality is strengthened by marital commitment.
Вся статья (PDF file, 55 Kb) здесь.".
Challenges Facing Modern Orthodox Education in Israel
Jeremy Stavisky
(Отрывки:)
The third major issue we face is the conflict between halakhic demands and the sexual norms of modern society. Specifically, the problem stems from the long interval between the age of puberty and the age of marriage. [...] According to halakhah there is no legitimate sexual expression until marriage.
Not only is all sexual contact forbidden; so is masturbation. It seems that during most of our history young men and women married close to the time of puberty. [...] Yet today, it is almost impossible for a young Israeli to marry before he finishes his army service at the age of twenty-one or twenty-two. And we encourage our children to pursue higher education, so it is financially very difficult for most of them to marry before their mid twenties.
The problem is of acute importance during adolescence. Many of our students develop friendships with the other sex and have no ability to express that friendship in a physical manner. The halakhah viewed physical relationships between men and women as something that happens within the family, as husband and wife. The concept of long-term friendship between a boy and a girl does not exist within the halakhic framework. The problem is
compounded by the fact that our students live in a very coarse world, where the media presume that adolescents should be living promiscuous sexual lives.
[...]
We cannot deny halakhah and permit any kind of physical relationship with a woman who is not ritually pure. And yet, we cannot deny the impossible situation our students face in trying to work out their legitimate emotional needs. Many of our students have girl friends and have developed some kind of physical relationship with them. How do we coach our students when they consult with us on this matter?
One has to realize that there is no ideal solution to this problem. The educator has to insure that failure in this field does not lead to feelings of guilt that lead, in turn, to total detachment from a life of mizvot. This process does not have to legitimize unacceptable halakhic behavior, but it does have to be understanding of the difficult situation our students face. [...]
We also have to decide the proper form of sexual education in our schools. If we assume that a small percent of our students are having sexual relations, are we obliged to educate them on how to prevent the transfer of sexual diseases? It seems that if we shy away from discussing these issues in a mature and responsible manner we will be denying our students important material that they otherwise will probably learn from a less desirable source. Sexual information can be taught in conjunction with a strong ideological message insisting that love is an essential part of sexual relationships and that sexuality is strengthened by marital commitment.
Вся статья (PDF file, 55 Kb) здесь.".
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Date: 2004-06-16 12:50 pm (UTC)otherwise they need to have sex education in high school for aforementioned reasons.
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Date: 2004-06-16 11:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-06-17 06:15 am (UTC)Автор, похоже, не очень понимаяет разницу между галахой и общепринятой практикой.То, о чем он говорит - это именно 2-е.
We cannot deny halakhah and permit any kind of physical relationship with a woman who is not ritually pure<...>One has to realize that there is no ideal solution to this problem
барышня становится "rutually pure", как только сходит в микву, товарищу в голову, похоже, не приходит. А поскольку, опричь Рамбама, никто вроде как не запрещал внебрачный секс per ce - вот оно, собственно, и решение всех проблем. И чего, спрашивается, копья ломать?
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Date: 2004-06-17 07:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-06-17 01:39 pm (UTC)Фактически он призывает к терпимости к добрачным связям без нормализации таковых. Такая ситуация неприятна двойственностью, но не нова, если судить хотя бы по той мишне из Ксубос, где говорится, что на территории Йегуды претензии от женихов к отсутствию девственности не принимаются. Или по тшувам Маарама из Роттенбурга, который жалуется на аналогичные ситуации в своих краях.
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Date: 2004-06-18 03:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-06-19 07:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-06-19 07:14 pm (UTC)По-моему, как раз для такой "терпимости" в свое время строили специальные дома. :)
А серьезно, если он действительно предлагает именно это, то, по-моему, это максимально плохой вариант. Во-первых, с чисто религиозной точки зрения, если (еврейская) барышня не будет окунаться, то это - карет.А во-вторых,от постоянного осознание того, что делаешь что-то запрещенное и греховное, у человека с огромной вероятностью рано или поздно произойдет тяжелый религиозный кризис. A при неблагоприятных обстоятельствах - запросто может и крышу снести.
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Date: 2004-06-19 11:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-06-20 08:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-06-20 09:55 pm (UTC)А статья, конечно, забавная: сначала национально-религиозный сектор и тов. Ставицкий лично выращивает сомнительной религиозности молодежь, а потом "с фальшивым трагизмом", как писал Довлатов, рассуждает о нелегкой доле этой самой молодежи.