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[ymarkov]

Побывал вчера на фарбренгене у своего раввина. Он крутой мужик, я его очень уважаю. "Давал" он сиху последнего Ребе о служении праотцов, шватим, и Йосефа - кто в теме, знает.

Сидел я, слушал, задавал вопросы... и всё равно ушёл с чувством, которое у меня этот материал вызывает уже лет 10 - какая же это всё чухня!.. Нет, ну то есть, умные люди писали, на псуким опирались, Талмуд и мидрашим привлекали, и всё равно: во-первых, постоянное ощущение пропасти под ногами (на воздух опираются все эти рассуждения), во-вторых, регулярное ощущение передёргивания первоисточников. (А иногда и не ощущение, а даже я это отчётливо вижу.)

Ладно, хасидизм не для всех, но почему же он у меня вызывает не просто неприятие, как любая другая система, с которой я могу быть не согласен, а прямо-таки гадливость?

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It is often a vocabulary problem.

[24816.livejournal.com]

For example, the "angels" might sound weird here: http://www.divrei.org/new_page_37.htm, but "functions, or laws of nature" seem ok.

But if you let the speaker know, you would give him a chance to think of other ways to address the issue.

-FI

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[antidos.livejournal.com]

No wonder they believe Rebbe MH"M is alive and well, but not visible right now ;-) If there are angels everywhere, then why rebbe can't be actually alive ?

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[24816.livejournal.com]

Because word "alive" has certain meaning here on Earth, thus Rebe could be alive in some other sense, but not in this one. But there is no dogma about "angels" so their could be more than one interpretation.
-FI

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[antidos.livejournal.com]

Ленин и сейчас живее всех живых ! :)

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[24816.livejournal.com]

At least did they burry him already?
-FI

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[antidos.livejournal.com]

If they could they would embalm Rebbe and keep Him on display in 770.

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[24816.livejournal.com]

don't stereotype, there are plenty of normal people in Chabad and they stand strong.
-FI

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[ymarkov.livejournal.com]

Но не в данном случае. Терминология меня не смущает, смущают идеи и их "невыносимая лёгкость", т.е. пустота и порхание в воздухе.

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[24816.livejournal.com]

It is hard to talk without examples, but you are not suppose to resonate on every possible spark. For example, there is entire scale between Ramban and Rambam so everyone fits somewhere (and each of 12 tribes served somewhat differently). It would be very boring if we all were the same. Yet, if you press this Rabbi further, he might give you something to hang on. There were questions that bothered me for 15 years, but eventually someone could come up with explanations that made sense to me.
-FI

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[antidos.livejournal.com]

An "illiterate grandma" learning chassidus - what can be more amazing ?!

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[24816.livejournal.com]

Even more amazing - an illetarate grandma teaching
-FI

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[antidos.livejournal.com]

OMG, I am sorry for your students...

Re: It is often a vocabulary problem.

[24816.livejournal.com]

I feel sorry for you too.
-FI